starring KENNETH WILLIAMS, DEREK NIMMO, CLEMENT FREUD and PETER JONES, with commentary from PAUL MERTON, chaired by NICHOLAS PARSONS (Radio, 31 July 1982)

PAUL MERTON: Nicholas, in this next classic edition of Just A Minute, there's quite a lot of ribbing of the chairman, lots of disputed judgements, occasionally trying to give you a hard time, I think.

NICHOLAS PARSONS: Well, that is all part of the show isn't it. I mean the figure of authority always has to be criticised.

PM: Yes.

NP: And it's a tradition in humour...

PM: Yes.

NP: It's like the foil, the straight man, it's always jokes at his expense, he has to be put down, doesn't he.

PM: You have to have the authority for the joke to work.

NP: That's right, and I must say, I've said before that the four regulars who appear here in this show were all contempoaries. So they could be pretty merciless in what they said to me, in a way that sometimes was very funny. Other times it's a cheap laugh. But I've noticed with the new generation, particularly with you, you have tremendous fun at my expense, with some very witty lines on occasions. But, one has the feeling, others have said this to me, when Paul has a go at you, we don't feel there's any hidden agenda behind it.

PM: Oh no, it's always done with a big smile!

NP: Yes.

PM: You know, there's a cheeriness.

NP: And you know as a good, as an experienced straight man to other comics, I often set these things up.

PM: Absolutely.

NP: Set the line up, or a comeback.

PM: Absolutely.

NP: Recently you had two unbeliievably funny things. I even showed my generosity by giving you a bonus point for your funny line.

PM: Yes, yes. I think there was one, If I remember, that we recorded a few weeks back, ah, somebody was talking about a dentist in Wimpole Street that they were particularly fond of. And you said "where is this dentist?" And they said "Wimpole Street", and you said "oh, I couldn't be bothered going there". And I said "well, you could send them through the post!"

NP: A lot of your jokes at my expense are about age.

PM: Yes it's a bit cheap, isn't it really.

NP: No, we live in a, we live in an ageist society.

PM: Yes.

NP: Have you noticed, we don't make sexist jokes or racist jokes...

PM: NO, you're not allowed to any more, which is a good thing.

NP: Or infirmity or deformity or anything like that. But you can make as many jokes about people's age, and they're supposed to have a sense of humour and laugh at themselves.

PM: Yes yes. I mean people make jokes about age because maybe they sort of, they fear getting old or they worry about getting old or something.

NP: Yes. There's a lot of psychology in humour, and I'm sure this is a release if you make a joke about someone being infirm and so forth, it's a, it is a release for them.

PM: Yeah. Yes.

NP: I don't know if it's a release for me when you make jokes about my age Paul.

PM: I shouldn't! You're making me feel very bad!

NP: I'll tell you what, I mean, bless your heart, you once said to me, you are a very good foil.

PM: Absolutely.

NP: And you said, well, I've been a straight man to a number of comedians, and I know, what is required. And I've said in interviews that I see my responsibility as not only being a chairman who tries to control things, and maybe let's it get a little bit out of control, to generate the fun, but to be there as a foil...

PM: Oh yes it's...

NP: For others to have fun at my expense.

PM: Oh yes, you have a very broad-minded attitude towards that, because you accept it in the humour and the good part in which it's meant. And it's good for the show, and as you say, it's always done with a smile.

NP: You can always make a joke against somebody, provided it's funny and witty which you do...

PM: Yes.

NP: ... if the person is there to take it.

PM: Yes.

NP: And laughs with you...

PM: Yes.

NP: ... and you all laugh together.

PM: Yes that's a very good point.

NP: You see, Kenneth put some rather wicked things in his diaries about me. Which were not nearly as bad as the things he said on the show! And people said "oh Kenneth was a bit nasty about you in his diaries" and I said "well not nearly so bad as what he said on the show!" I was there to take it and laugh with him...

PM: Yes.

NP: ... which helps to take the edge off it.

PM: Yes. Were you surprised, just to mention his diaries for a moment, were you surprised um at the content of them, that there's sort of, sometimes a very lonely man he seemed to be, writing privately in his diaries?

NP: I was sad about them. I was sad that they were published, because I knew Kenneth well, and knew this other depressed side of his nature. And I used to see it as someone who got very keyed up, and the adrenaline would pump, probably more than with most people. After Just A Minute, he'd be on a high, because he'd had wonderful audience reaction, he'd be doing some of his maniacal laughter and things like that, because he does on the show we are talking about, which you know, takes off.

PM: Yes.

NP: And then he goes back to his little sparse bedsit and he'd come off as we do after a show. But I think Kenneth went lower than others..

PM: Yes.

NP: And then's when the depressive side came out, went to the diaries and started writing.

PM: Yes.

NP: So we knew, those who knew him well knew he had that side of his nature. But I think it was sad that the public, who knew him for all the laughter he provided, could see the other side as well.

PM: Yes yes.

NP: So I felt sad about them.

PM: Yes yes. I remember Alan Simpson of Galton and Simpson who wrote Hancock's Half Hour told me once that he was absolutely astonished when he saw the Kenneth Williams Diaries, because he talks about "oh another dreadful show, and I don't know how much longer I can stay with this". And yet his experience of him, coming into the studio every week was of somebody who absolutely loved working there, and enjoyed the show immensely. And as you say, when he went home, and maybe he started to feel a bit low, maybe that was when he started to write the diary.

NP: I did one of the Carry On films, I had lunch with him and Kenneth Connor and one or two others. He was in hysterical form. And yet he had no respect for his contribution to those, because he felt it was a sort of facility he had, and not drawing on the actor within him.

PM: Yes.

NP: Because he was a very very good actor.

PM: Well let's listen to this classic episode then, from January 1982.


ANNOUNCER: We present Kenneth Williams, Peter Jones, Clement Freud and Derek Nimmo in Just A Minute. And as the Minute Waltz fades away here to tell you about it is our chairman Nicholas Parsons.

NP: Thank you, thank you very much, hello and welcome. And we have our four regular panellists, Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones. And once again they are going to try and talk if they can for Just A Minute on the subject that I will give them, and they will try and do that as usual without hesitation, without repetition and without deviating from the subject on the card in front of me. Let us begin the show with Kenneth Williams, who better? Kenneth, can you tell us something about what our audience loves. Well there's one thing that's already been demonstrated when they applauded at the beginning. But other than that you have 60 seconds to go on that subject starting now.

KENNETH WILLIAMS: Well they love seeing this battle of wits, as it's been so rightly described by our chairman, under whose benign influence, this show...


NP: Ah Derek Nimmo's challenged right away!

DEREK NIMMO: He's not benign! He never has been benign, he never will be benign!

CLEMENT FREUD: And he has very little influence!

DN: (laughs) Very little influence, yes!

NP: And I don't think that audience would agree with that challenge, would you?


NP: No! Exactly!

CF: Creeps!

NP: And I would bow to the superior wisdom of our audience and say Kenneth, that was an incorrect challenge, so you get a point for a wrong challenge, and you keep the subject, there are 51 and a half seconds left, what our audience loves starting now.

KW: Among the things they love, of course, are the dulcet tones which belong to that notable raconteur, writer, actor, mime and brilliant performer, I speak of Kenneth Williams! I don't believe that anyone would want any kind of self-advertising to go on, and I'm not the kind of person to blow...


NP: Clement Freud has challenged.

CF: Thirty-six Is!

PETER JONES: Quite right! Yes!

NP: So who's counting?

CF: I was!

NP: I don't remember 36 Is...

DN: You only have to have two, don't you, for goodness sake.

NP: Yes but we've never actually challenged on I before.

DN: Oh I see! So 37 would be too many?

NP: Thirty-seven would definitely be too many.

DN: Ah!

NP: But actually, I know how to get out of this one. There weren't 36 because I was counting as well, so it's an incorrect challenge. Um Kenneth you keep the subject with another point, and there are 27 seconds left starting now.

KW: What our audience love is to hear me burst forth into song! When I sing "I didn't have a bow-wow, Daddy wouldn't buy me", and then all that stuff that follows which of course would be repeating, but I am not...


NP: Derek Nimmo challenged.

DN: Repetition of "of course".

NP: Yes you did say "of course" before, I'm afraid Kenneth. So that is a correct...


NP: Listen, you can't have Kenneth all to yourselves for the rest of the show! There are three others, and they've all got something to contribute, and it's Derek Nimmo now with the subject, and 16 seconds, what our audience loves starting now.

DN: What our audience really loves is to see the... competitors...


NP: Peter Jones has challenged.

PJ: Hesitation.

NP: Yes! I think I'd have a swig at the old cough linctus! Peter Jones, you have a correct challenge, a point to you, and 12 seconds, on what our audience loves starting now.

PJ: I'm sure our audience, like all normal Brits, love the Queen, and Ken Dodd, and sex, violence and bad language, if we are to judge from the programmes we watch on television which....


NP: Well I think everybody was so shattered by Peter's remarks that they overlooked the pause that followed them. But Peter you kept going until the whistle was blown which tells us that 60 seconds is up...

PJ: Great.

NP: And as you speak at that moment, you get the extra point, and you're in the lead at the end of that round with Kenneth Williams. Peter will you begin the second round, the subject, queuing at the supermarket. Oh yes, obviously something close to everybody's heart, and there are 60 seconds to go on the subject Peter starting now.

PJ: Well most of it is quite unnecessary. Because as soon as there isn't a queue, the manager sends two or three cashiers off to tea, so that a queue forms immediately. They like to encourage that, I think, and it's a great pity because of course it makes it much easier to shoplift. In fact it's easier to shoplift than to actually pay for the goods...


NP: Clement Freud has challenged.

PJ: Are you in this?

CF: Repetition of....

NP: Easier yes...

CF: Easier and shoplift.

NP: I think they wanted him to continue because they were all living it with Peter.

PJ: I think it's depressing that people are just listening for the repeats, and not to the substance of what I'm saying! I find that very frustrating.

NP: I know, Kenneth felt the same last time when he was going.

PJ: Yes.

NP: But let's see what Clement Freud has to say on the subject, with 41 seconds left, queuing at the supermarket starting now.

CF: I don't mind queues to get into a supermarket so much, but resent deeply that once you are in there, they make you stand in a queue to get out. Otherwise you have no alternative but to shoplift, as my friend Peter Jones so very rightly told this erudite audience, who have been standing in line outside this theatre...


NP: Peter Jones has challenged.

PJ: Repetition of standing.

NP: Yes I don't.... no he said queuing before. He didn't mention the word standing. He said "I don't mind queuing to get in", not "standing in the queue to get in".

PJ: Really?

NP: Yes.

PJ: It took you a long time to work it out!

NP: I, I had to do a very quick mental rerun of every word he said...

PJ: Oh yes yes, the old photographic memory yes!

NP: The little computer, the little computer in my... up there, which is called my grey matter...

PJ: I knew someone had been tampering with it! I didn't know you'd had an electronic device fitted!

NP: Well it might, I thought it wasn't obvious. But Clement an incorrect challenge, you keep the subject, 21 seconds, queuing at the supermarket starting now.

CF: Queues in other parts of the world are diminishing very quickly because they have electronic devices whereby...


NP: Derek Nimmo challenged.

DN: He's no longer talking about queues at the supermarket. He's talking about queues with electronic devices in other parts of the world.

CF: In supermarkets.

NP: No, he just said queuing at the other parts of the world. Did you say queuing in supermarkets?

CF: It's implied, it is...

NP: Oh it's implied, no it wasn't, that wasn't clear. So Derek has the subject and there are...

DN: I don't think that piece of machinery is working very well, do you?

NP: Queuing at the supermarket Derek starting now.

DN: Me? Oh I like queuing at the supermarket, yes indeed...


DN: Sorry.

NP: Clement Freud challenged.

DN: I thought you were giving it the other way round!

CF: He didn't mention queuing at the supermarket, he's talking about himself.

NP: He didn't, he said "queuing at the supermarket", I heard it quite distinctly. He started off with queuing at the supermarket. I was listening, 13 seconds Derek for you to continue, queuing at the supermarket...

DN: Why is it that when you finish queuing at the supermarket, you're always given a trolley with one wheel that only turns left? And you continue to push this wretched thing up and down various queues, as you're taking the tins from the shelves and then buying...


NP: So Derek Nimmo got a number of points in that round, including one for speaking as the whistle went, so he's now taken the lead. Peter Jones will you take the next round, the subject is accepting unwanted presents. Will you tell us something about that subject in the game starting now.

PJ: Well I always admire the gracious way the Queen, and the Duke of Edinburgh, in fact most of the Royal Family, accept obviously unwanted presents, like illuminated addresses, and keys to various cities, and perhaps models of Buckingham Palace made out of match stalks, or human bones or teeth or whatever. And I often wonder what they do with them when they get them home. Because they can't reveal them to the er public again, after they've accepted them, otherwise it would appear that they didn't want them. So I suppose they are put in some vast incinerator in the bowels of the royal residence and are never seen again. But...


NP: Clement Freud challenged.

CF: Repetition of royal.

NP: Yes.

PJ: Oh yes, royal, yes.

NP: Royal, so Clement Freud you have a correct challenge, you have the subject of accepting unwanted presents, there are 22 seconds starting now.

CF: The one quality which is absolutely essential is grace. Graciously must one accept unwanted presents and the less wanted they are the more accent must give to this quality with which one takes...


NP: Derek Nimmo challenged.

DN: Five ones.

CF: Is five!

PJ: Are five.

CF: Five ones are five.

DN: Yes that's right.

CF: And 36 Is don't count!

NP: I'll do the same to you as I did to Clement, to be fair. There were not five ones, there were only four. So it was an incorrect challenge. No, repetition of one, all right, six seconds Derek with you, accepting unwanted presents starting now.

DN: Accepting unwanted presents was not a subject I thought I was going to given for a curious moment. Because we had that funny...


DN: Oh!

NP: Clement Freud it's your turn to begin, the subject is other people's bonfires. Will you tell us something about that in the game starting now.

CF: Other people's bonfires consist of unwanted presents which they were given by other people. It's really as simple as that, and they burn very much more prettily than does one's own bonfire. If ever you look at what is ablaze in number 32, should you live in number 30, it is higher, burns with a greater incandescence and sparkle, and throws more smoke than anything down the street. Other people's bonfires seem to take place on the 5th of November, which is a particularly opportune date for a bonfire, in view of Guy Fawkes' attempt some years previously to blow up the place where I currently work. Although if this programme goes out in many years time, I may in fact not be working but doing extraordinarily important things on behalf of the Royal Family and other members of this team like...


NP: Derek Nimmo challenged.

DN: He's no longer talking about other people's bonfires, he's talking about his future career.

NP: Yes he had, I think, deviated on to his future career. And we were so carried away with what Clement Freud...

DN: I didn't, I just wanted to hear what sort of...

KW: You didn't let him get to the conclusion, that's the point! He was building up to the fact that his career was to be put on a bonfire!


KW: You missed the point entirely!

DN: I'm sorry Clay!

NP: Well he had deviated for quite a while. So Derek your challenge is correct and you've got in with three seconds to go on other people's bonfires...

CF: Oh!

NP: ... starting now.

DN: The best other people's bonfires are those made out of eucalyptic wood which has...


NP: Oh Clement Freud challenged.

CF: It's a grammatical deviation.

DN: Yes.

CF: The best other people's bonfire.

KW: Yes grammatically incorrect, yes, quite right, yes! Quite right!

NP: Well done Clement, one and a half seconds on other people's bonfires starting now.

CF: Swan and Vesters...


NP: So Clement Freud starting with that subject and finishing as well, though in spite of an interruption, has got a number of points, increased or bettered his position. He's now in second place, but Derek Nimmo still way out in the lead, and also Derek begins the next round. The subject is fiddling. Derek will you tell us something about fiddling in Just A Minute starting now.

DN: I think some of the most interesting fiddling currently to be heard in the Home Counties is at Stoke Devonham with a very pretty little church which lies near Cobham. Because very handily adjacent to that is a school run by Yehudi Menuhin for gifted fiddlers, and I often go along to Evening Service to hear the extraordinary sounds made by these children. That man that I mentioned, the wonderful maestro, why hasn't he been given a knighthood? That's extraordinary, isn't it, when you think the pleasure he's given for so many years. But one of the times that I enjoyed...


NP: Kenneth Williams challenged.

KW: Well deviation, we're discussing why Yehudi Menuhin hasn't been given a knighthood...

NP: Exactly!

KW: ... which isn't the subject of fiddlers.

NP: I quite agree.

PJ: Well it often is, actually!

KW: What, you mean that people....


PJ: Yes, I would have thought Yehudi Menuhin hadn't fiddled in the right way!

NP: Um well said Peter, but Kenneth's challenge is correct, he deviated from the subject of fiddling, going on to Yehudi Menuhin's knighthood or possibilities of such, and there are 27 seconds Kenneth, for you to take over the subject of fiddling starting now.

KW: There's an awful lot of it goes on, especially in large corporations or public companies, where they make the phone call which is nothing to do with the business of the company. And they do it for their own ends, and they pinch paper clips and they say "ahhhh nobody will miss it, wahhhh make a phone call..."


NP: Clement Freud challenged.

CF: Repetition of maaaahh!

NP: You're right, you did have two maaaaahhs I'm afraid. Clement, well listened and well challenged.


NP: If the listeners are wondering what that laugh was, it was Kenneth was so overcome with surprise, he actually touched Clement Freud and the audience seemed to enjoy it. There are 11 seconds for Clement on the subject of fiddling starting now.

CF: In order to fiddle really effectively, you should try first to light Rome, which you might best do by using other people's bonfires with which to illum...


NP: So Clement was speaking as the whistle went, just I think. And increased his position in second place, catching up on Derek Nimmo in the lead. And Kenneth Williams and Peter Jones are trailing somewhat in third and fourth place. Will you begin the next round please Peter Jones, papering the ceiling. I don't know whether you've ever done it, but try and talk on the subject if you can in the game, starting now.

PJ: Well it is something to be avoided at all costs! It's back breaking and arm swelling, straining. And it really does... impose a tremendous...


NP: Derek Nimmo challenged.

DN: Oh I'm sorry, a hesitation.

NP: Yes, he's got his head up to the ceiling and completely overcome with it all. Fifty seconds are left for papering the ceiling Derek starting now.

DN: The thing to start off with is a large pot of cold water paste. I don't like any of these newfangled ones that people use these days, it's not at all nice. But what I've just mentioned is absolutely splendid. Put it into a bucket, get your brush, then glue the back of the piece of paper, lift it into the air and put it into the far corner of the ceiling that you want in fact to paper...


NP: Peter Jones has challenged.

PJ: No ladder yet!


DN: It's a very low ceiling!

NP: He could always get out of it by saying a very low ceiling. What we get out of it in a situation like that, because we love Peter's challenge, is we give him a bonus point for such a good challenge and um Derek Nimmo, we don't take the subject away from you. You keep going because it wasn't legitimate, with papering the ceiling, 30 seconds starting now.

DN: With my spare hand, I get hold of the ladder and drag it over. This of course makes the paper fall down on top of one's head and all the hairs get into the sticky stuff...


NP: Clement Freud challenged.

CF: Hesitation.

DN: I don't think so.

NP: I don't think he hesitated, no!

CF: Oh?

NP: No, no, he might have got a bit...

CF: Perhaps I was listening to some other programme!

NP: Yes. No, I don't think, I don't think you hesitated, no you just got the paper stuck in your hair. And there are 20 seconds for papering the ceiling Derek starting now.

DN: This is the best way to have the most major row with one's wife that I know. Because she will be entrusted to hold the other end, while you're trying to affix it on to the aforementioned ceiling, and...


NP: Um Peter Jones has challenged.

PJ: Well he's mentioned the ceiling before.

DN: It's in, it's in the...

NP: Ceiling is on the card actually.

PJ: Oh I see. Because he said aforementioned, and I thought well, you're not supposed to mention it again, are you.

NP: No he was going to say the aforementioned corner of the ceiling, you see, that's where he started before...

DN: How do you know what I was going to say?

PJ: Ah yes!

DN: You've never been clairvoyant before!

NP: No but I'm absolutely brilliant at the job...

DN: Is this new machinery you've got fixed up there?

PJ: No, no...

DN: Do you do mind reading as well?

PJ: No, don't make personal remarks. It's the plate in his skull you know. It's not acting up...

DN: The old war wound!

NP: You now know why, if you're listening to the programme for the first time, why I am employed as chairman. Because I am the only person who can suffer these insults and still carry on with the job!

PJ: Quite right, yes! Very good!

NP: Derek um, it was an incorrect challenge, you have seven seconds on papering the ceiling starting now.

DN: Papering the ceiling, I go along to Sanderson's to buy some of their very nice floral paper which I then take home to the establishment called...


NP: So Derek has increased his lead at the end of that round, getting extra points during that round, and for speaking as the whistle went. A number of repetitions were overlooked. I mean he used the word paper three or four times, and papering is the word on the card. But um...

DN: Well there you are.

NP: There you are, he's out in the lead, in a strong, probably impregnable position for this game. We carry on the show with Clement Freud, and the subject Clement is concentration. Vital in Just A Minute but what can you tell us about the subject in the game starting now.

CF: If someone is way out in front with an almost impregnable lead, then concentration in Just A Minute is pretty unimportant. You can listen as much as you like, and talk such rubbish as you wish. If the idea of playing is to win, then play you must not. Concentration...


NP: Kenneth Williams.

KW: I thought there was a long pause.

NP: There definitely was a long pause.

CF: It was the end of a sentence, and the beginning of a new paragraph.

NP: Well if you always talk in paragraphs...

CF: I do!

NP: ... then it's rather difficult for us all. There was definite pause Clement, and there are 40 seconds for Kenneth to talk on the subject of concentration starting now.

KW: The best way to do this is to free yourself of all outside interference and impedimenta. And therefore you are able to give your sole thought to the project under consideration. I always find that the best thing to do is to seclude myself, perhaps in a little...


NP: Clement Freud challenged.

CF: Hesitation?

NP: Yes I think you were going so slow, you were really almost, you were hesitating almost between the words.

KW: Well I'm desperate to get some marks, you see! I’m very low, very low on the list!

NP: I agree, it is, it is a matter of er...

KW: Concentration!

NP: Yes! Whether Derek Nimmo wins or not is incidental, but there is pride as well as the incredible contribution you all make whether you're winning or not.

KW: And to get the approval of the chairman, you see!

NP: Oh Kenneth! You're going too far now! There are 13 seconds for Clement Freud to talk on concentration starting now.

CF: If you get a substance and boil it long enough, whether it be on gas, solid fuel or electricity, then that will be concentrated and thick, and be very much more nutritional than it would otherwise...


NP: So Clement Freud gained a number of points in that round, and Kenneth did as well, and we're back to Derek Nimmo to begin and the subject is bugs. Will you tell us something about bugs, that's the subject that Ian Messiter's thought of and you have 60 seconds to talk about it if you can Derek starting now.

DN: Bugs of the electronic er variety are becoming increasingly prevalent these days for industrial espionage. I saw advertised a week or so ago, a suitcase that you can buy which has on the top of it a built-in microphone, so you can hear what people, and it records it for you are saying when you go to see your competitors, business colleagues and so on. It's all...


NP: Peter Jones has challenged.

PJ: You can hear what your colleagues are saying without taking a suitcase fitted with...


DN: It is transmitting a message through to...

NP: It was such a lovely challenge, Peter, you get a point and the subject, and you have 37 seconds to tell us about bugs starting now.

PJ: Well the bugs I remember are those that are in beds in theatrical digs many years ago. They used to be er quite lively little things and they attack one during the hours of darkness, and left weals and unpleasant marks. Terribly irritating and er altogether...


NP: Kenneth Williams has challenged.

KW: Well an er, a definite er.

NP: Yes definite er, yes.

PJ: Yes it was.

NP: Mmm you mentioned what it was and there you are. Bugs is now with you Kenneth and there are 19 and a half seconds left starting now.

KW: Well it's often said medically you can get one of these bugs that you can pick up, they say, in very odd climates that you're not perhaps used to in the ordinary sense of your usual kind of travel, you see. Then there are bugs in the bed as Peter Jones pointed out, but DDT will always get rid of them...


NP: Clement Freud challenged.

CF: Repetition of D.

NP: Yeah, DDT. So Clement's got in on a good challenge and with only three seconds to go on bugs starting now.

CF: Bugs is one of the lesser known signs of the Zodiac...


NP: And the only thing they didn't mention was Bugs Bunny! Ah Clement I said that Derek was in an impregnable position, but you'll be interested to hear that with your agility and brilliance at the game, you're catching up on him rapidly. You're only four points behind and ah Kenneth is not far behind. Peter's trailing a little. And Kenneth Williams begins the next round, the subject is King James the First's opinion of tobacco. Can you tell us something about that in the game starting now.

KW: I can't remember the exact phrase he used, but he found it offensive. And of course that's something he shared with Clement Freud, or shared, I mean, I don't mean, ah um in that sense...


NP: Peter, Derek Nimmo challenged.

CF: Oh no!

DN: Well it was a sort of bumbling noise, he didn't say any words. Hesitation.

CF: Oh no! No he kept going very well.

NP: Repetition of p-p-p-p-p-pah!

DN: Yes that was it.

NP: And as he hadn't really got going, it was a very difficult subject, and you're in an impregnable position, and I think the audience would like him to go on a bit longer, do you mind if I'm a little bit heartless for once, just for once?

DN: My dear, you're a law unto yourself always!

NP: Yes but, but I think we all like everybody to get a chance on the subject to start with...

DN: Oh yes.

NP: So Kenneth I think we're going to be very generous and let you continue with 53 seconds left on King James the First's opinion of tobacco starting now.

KW: Well he thought it was noxious and poisonous. And of course there are many people who maintain to this day that his judgement was a correct one, and that it should be forbidden in public places, because it can affect not only the person that's doing it, but those that have got to suffer the kind of nastiness, fumes and...


NP: Peter Jones has challenged.

PJ: Repetition of suffer.

NP: Yes, you did say suffer before, sorry. So Peter, you have the subject of King James the First's opinion of tobacco, 29 seconds starting now.

PJ: Well I think it's rather sad that it's about all that anybody knows about James the First, a man who lived to be 53 and a half, and as far as I know was fairly active during his lifetime. And he just spent about two minutes of that period talking about the evil effects of tobacco on the human race. And that's all that can be recalled...


NP: Derek Nimmo challenged.

DN: Repetition of all.

NP: Yes, you did say that before.

PJ: I said all before?

NP: Yes. A niggling challenge but it was a correct one.

PJ: Yes, quite, yes.

NP: Fair...

PJ: Fairly niggling!

NP: Only once did I deliberately give it against you because Kenneth wanted to get going on the subject, but you have it now, and there are eight, seven and a half seconds on King James the First's opinion of tobacco starting now.

DN: King James the First's opinion of tobacco desperately upset the good people of Virginia, because that was their principal export, and I think went a long way to...


NP: Oh sorry, Peter Jones has challenged.

PJ: Yes it wasn't their principal export. I haven't time to go into now what their principal export was!


NP: I think it's one of those things that... I must put this to the superior judgement of our audience.

PJ: It was sugar, sugar.

NP: In the year, in the year sixteen hundred and three when King James the First came to the throne of England, having been called James the Sixth of Scotland. We would like you to judge on what was the principal export of Virginia in that particular year. Now if you agree that it was not tobacco, then you cheer with Peter Jones. And if you agree that it was tobacco, you boo for Derek Nimmo, and you all do it together now.


NP: They decided it was not the principal export, Peter.

PJ: That's right.

NP: So you um, Peter you've got in with only half a second to go on the subject starting now.

PJ: Give us a fag, will you?


NP: We have no more time to play the game alas. So, to the end of the contest, let me give you the final score. And Peter Jones finishing on a very nice note, but unfortunately still finished in fourth place. He was a little way behind Kenneth Williams, who was not far behind Clement Freud who never quite caught up on the one who took the lead at the beginning and kept it throughout, our winner this week, Derek Nimmo! Well as I'm sure you realise, we have enjoyed playing the game, I think our audience in the studio have enjoyed it, I hope you have enjoyed it as well. Because we'll be back again next week and we want you to enjoy it then as well. Until then from all of us here good-bye!


ANNOUNCER: The chairman of Just A Minute was Nicholas Parsons, the programme was devised by Ian Messiter and produced by Pete Atkin.